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« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2009, 03:23:52 pm »

Aye, but the backward support for XP is an emulator and runs like a pig. There be dragons there!
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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2009, 06:51:56 pm »

MS is providing for legacy support in some versions of Windows 7, to attract corporate users with software and hardware that are incompatible with Vista.
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2009, 04:15:24 am »

Once windows 7 is in the market place MS has no interest in XP hanging around. With the exception of corporate users, who lets face it are still using IE 6 for intranets, and that was a browser that should never have been allowed to defile the planet we are going to see XP squeezed with poor driver and application support going forward.

It will be interesting to see when the tipping point comes and it is necessary to ditch the comely maiden for a new sprightly and flighty piece!  I suspect that will occur sooner than we all expect.
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2009, 09:35:42 pm »

Do you move from a working XP, or hang in until it is truly moribund.

Interesting word to use - moribund - it almost sounds like you're imagining that XP will one day stagnate or suddenly roll over on its back and die!

Using your choice of words, is 98 moribund yet?

I know what you're getting at - in the not so distant future it'll be all touchy-feely, and XP will appear to be out of the ark with having to use those funny keyboard and mouse thingys!
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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2009, 08:07:14 pm »

Windows 7 has got good reviews and apparently is noticeably speedier than Vista.  With new PCs coming with 7, I think XP will quickly become like Windows 98 (which people also didn't want to move away from.)
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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2009, 06:13:40 pm »


I have just started trying Windows 7 on one of my systems. Seems OK so far but have not pushed it yet.


Bob,
I'll be interested to hear your views on how it shapes up vis-a-vi XP-SP3. This is where the real battle is going to be. Do you move from a working XP, or hang in until it is truly moribund.

The move from Vista is a no brainer, but you should never have been on Vista in the first place. :-]
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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2009, 04:59:45 pm »

Service packs shopuld not be applied until the PC is up to date ( service pack date ). If you are doing a fresh install of vista this is a bit of a problem.

So what the he*ll's the point of the service packs then? 

To get this right - you need to do all the updates before you install the service pack?  But surely then the service pack isn't needed?

I think this is further proof of what a waste of time Vista is.
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2009, 04:22:26 pm »

Service packs shopuld not be applied until the PC is up to date ( service pack date ). If you are doing a fresh install of vista this is a bit of a problem.
I have recently re-installed Vista and updated withoput any problem.
With all the updates since its introduction Vista is finally OK ( sorted ).

I have just started trying Windows 7 on one of my systems. Seems OK so far but have not pushed it yet.
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2009, 02:17:40 pm »

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(OK there are some small licensing issues...).



Aren't there always.  ;-)
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2009, 10:03:37 pm »

As long as you don't have an ATI graphic card. New version had to come off sharpish until driver support is sorted!
That is such a bizarre omission - I mean why not just include the same old ATI stuff as in 8:1?

Vista updates:

After the SP2 debacle, I thought in my naivite that maybe I'd just installed too many things, like antivirus and other non essential programs and decided to start again from scratch.
Downloaded SP1 and SP2 with the idea that I'd simply install the base package and follow it up with the two service packs (ya know like you do with XP) - it's gotta work surely.....

Base package installs (50 mins - OK not bad).

Remove Norton and MS Office (55mins - seriously! - and why so long?) (Total time to date 1hr 45min).

Install SP1.....35 mins later of appearing to go through the motions of installing we get the famous "Installation unsuccessful" message.

Now at this point it's kinda hard to know what to do.  There are a zillion updates awaiting my attention, but experience has already shown me that they will take literally hours to install if at all, and when I finally go for the magic SP2 I know it will crash.

4 painless hours later, XP was installed with all the updates and every program needed.  Even added a few of those Gadget thingys so it even looks like Vista.

Performance difference between XP and Vista is unbelievable.  XP is so fast and stable compared with the shambling attempts from the worst piece of software I've ever seen.
And this on a dual core laptop with 2gig RAM.

To be honest having for the first time played with Vista for a length of time, I would not consider using any new products from the same company. 

What I intend doing is to make sure I have XP, the service packs and copies of all the remaining updates so I'm not forced to be put through this ordeal again (OK there are some small licensing issues...).

After all why try reinventing the wheel when the old one continues to work perfectly?
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2009, 03:38:10 pm »

Aha I have no such problem as I am an Nvidia boy, unfortunatly ATI never supported Linux as well as Nvidia

Even my DVI card is supported to my DVI monitor Smiley

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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2009, 02:31:34 pm »



New Ubuntu is rather good.


As long as you don't have an ATI graphic card. New version had to come off sharpish until driver support is sorted!
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2009, 01:47:46 pm »

You can make it look like OSX if you really have too!!

http://blog.ibeentoubuntu.com/2009/04/getting-that-os-x-experience-on-ubuntu.html

I have to say I use the awn manager for the bottom bar (osx type bottom bar) which is real good on 9.04:)

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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2009, 11:39:39 am »

I do have vista on my iMac, I got it free when it came out as I was at Uni at the time and I'm a sucker for the latest and err...greatest.

Looks wise I like Vista, stability wise I haven't had a problem but then I rarely ever use it. It is exhausting though, it forever pops up asking me questions, I don't know just do something I don't care! Is how it makes me feel...

I did want to install Windows 7 as everyone seems very positive about it but it won't boot on my iMac for some reason. Talks about a driver incompatibility which doesn't make sense as I know it should work on a computer with my exact artiecture but hey ho, not so bug free for me :p

New Ubuntu is rather good. Loads hella fast and driver support is supremely good, and it was pretty good before! Need to make it look more like OS X and it'll be perfect! Cheesy
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2009, 11:27:17 am »

All the commentators are saying that Windows 7 is what Vista should have been in the first instance. 


The problems is that Windows 7 is going to look good because it is so much better than Vista. It might not necessarily be a vast improvement on XP SP3. With the possible exception of not running as administrator as default and the ability to handle greater memory, it could be a close call.

As for the new Google Chrome OS, if you look closely at what they said it is actually a Linux cored-Chrome GUI operating system. Might be a winner.....if it can crack backward compatability with all those windows thick apps that people love and need.

Otherwise there will be no shifting MS dominance in the market. 
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